BillyJenningsBoots
7:13 Mon Aug 28
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I looked for this thread and couldn't find it... top work all round
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J.Riddle
12:05 Mon Aug 28
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Ah thanks Alan the wordsmith
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1964
12:03 Mon Aug 28
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Ah thanks
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Takashi Miike
11:54 Sun Aug 27
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Fifth Column
7:42 Fri Aug 25
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Fornals is much better central than on the left.
Aguerd seems to me the best example of someone genuinely needing to take time to settle in the PL. His style of play and even his build as a CB seems unsuited to the PL. He is clearly a very talented, outstanding and positive player. It seems to me he needs to bulk up as he gets shoved off the ball and sometimes is just a little less aggressive than he should be. But then his recovery runs and tackles are often very good and he's made a number of saving tackles in the penalty area which have been world class. No idea what he was doing for the sending off though. Almost all footballers make bad decisions at some point. I doubt he'll ever do that again in his career.
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threesixty
7:40 Fri Aug 25
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Regarding Aguered, I'm not sure many players come to this league, hit the ground running and then maintain that consistency. From what I've seen if you hit the ground running you drop off quite heavily at some point and have to make your way back. I think it can take a year or so of constant playing in this league to be a consistent performer.
I think Aguered has the talent and has proven himself in other competitions, (world cup etc.). I just think he hasn't had a full season here. He will learn. Players like Dawson have been playing for yonks in England, they know what it's about.
I think it's the same with Kherer as well. I think the difference with this league is you just can't make mistakes and recover so easily, a mistake is a goal basically, or a card. So it's more about positioning and being pre-emptive. I think Zouma and Ogbonna understand that especially as they are not as mobile. Aguered needs to rely less on speed and dynamism and more about positioning and reading the game. He will get there I feel.
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Hammer and Pickle
6:27 Fri Aug 25
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When allowed to play in position, Fornals has always been decent.
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BillyJenningsBoots
6:06 Fri Aug 25
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Injured apparently... according to Moyes. Doesn't sound like he'll play until after the International break.
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Eerie Descent
1:29 Thu Aug 24
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Fair enough mate. FWIW, Fornals has actually looked decent enough centrally in the first couple of games.
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Ron Eff
1:18 Thu Aug 24
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Not at all Eerie, I have plenty of negative opinioms on players, it was just a light hearted comment around you homing in and doubling down on your player of choice! Aguerd has made mistakes, thats agreeable, but he’s far from shit. I still don’t think you’re right on Fornals given we always look better when he plays, especially in his natural position (i.e, not left wing) but it’s all about opinions.
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Eerie Descent
1:13 Thu Aug 24
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Beat up? I know it's frowned upon on here to have a negative footballing opinion on popular players, but let's be honest, I was right about Fornals, although I've left him alone since he's been stuck on the bench over the last year or so.
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Ron Eff
12:47 Thu Aug 24
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Fornals is happy that ED has at least found someone else to beat up
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Eerie Descent
12:14 Thu Aug 24
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My main worry with him fraser is he's 27 years old and cost £35mil. If he was 23 and we spent punt money, fair enough, but that's not the case.
He's a record signing for us in terms of centre backs, is the prime age for a footballer, and is a seasoned international. For him to make the amount of mistakes he does, still after a year, is nowhere near good enough. I hope the fuck he comes good, we desperately need him to, but I'm finding it hard to think he will.
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fraser
12:03 Thu Aug 24
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I really like Aguerd but ED makes some valid points.. Has loads of talent but has been error prone. I haven't given up hope that he can't cut them out or at least keep to a minimum.
Kehrer managed it towards the end of last season.
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Eerie Descent
11:55 Thu Aug 24
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Russ, no problem giving players time, but he's been here a year, and from the moment he walked in the door he's been an accident waiting to happen. At £35mil, aged 27, and playing centre back, it doesn't matter if you're playing in a new country, when you're making the sort of mistakes he does most weeks it's not good enough.
The terrible injury he got was directly because of one of his trademark mistakes, and he was frantically running back and made that Hollywood slide tackle (which has sucked everyone in, btw) so he brought that on himself.
For keepers and centre halfs, the main thing before anything else is not to make mistakes, because they will invariably lead to chances/goals. Unfortunately for him, his Achilles heel is making mistakes. The problem everyone is having with judging him sensibly is he can do some outrageously good things, followed by horrendous stuff. Fact is, he is costing us every game.
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Russ of the BML
11:37 Thu Aug 24
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I am looking for big things from Aguerd this season. Last season was his first in PL and he got terrible injury. So difficult to judge. He just needs to work on his consistency. He goes from the sublime to the ridiculous. You can't do that. He has all the attributes needed and in the WC he looked so calm and assured for Morocco.
I think with Ogbonna's age and Zouma's continual injury niggles, Moyes may be looking at Aguerd to partner Stavros in the long term. But Aguerd will need to be more consistent and assured if he is to hold down a long term place.
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Nagel
11:12 Thu Aug 24
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For me one of the worst things about Aguerd is how terribly one footed he is. It messes up his positioning as he tries to manoeuvre himself so he can use his left foot and it's why he lunges awkwardly at times, like with the sending off. That's not something he's likely to improve on much and it makes it easy to play against him.
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zebthecat
11:02 Thu Aug 24
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I read yesterday that Aguerd might be going back to Rennes.
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Manuel
10:51 Thu Aug 24
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ED - Fwiw, as it makes fuck all difference to me or anyone else what your opinion of Aguerd is, and I'm not convinced about him either, but I think this season is the time to judge him, yes he looked shaky at B'mouth but was doing OK on Sunday before he saw red.
I think there is a player in there so happy to see how he goes over the coming weeks. Jury still out for me, certainly not writing him off just yet, but clearly he needs to improve.
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Lee Trundle
10:45 Thu Aug 24
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Zouma mostly played as a centre back on the left side at Chelsea, so perhaps we'll see him shift there and see the Greek on the right hand side?
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zebthecat
10:44 Thu Aug 24
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ludo21 10:17 Thu Aug 24
We all know the answer to that question.
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